In the first volume of our Aquarian Entrepreneur Spotlight series, hear how Brandy Gilmartin trusted the nudge of her intuition & opened a Wellness Center right before a global pandemic.
Opening a Wellness Center right before a global pandemic sounds like the ultimate test of business acumen and spiritual resilience, doesn't it? Well, Brandy Gilmartin navigated these waters with incredible grace and adaptability.
In the first volume of our Aquarian Entrepreneur Spotlight series, hear how her business Inner Space embraced the tide, integrating services like a salt lounge, a diverse array of practitioners, and the adoption of Human Design principles. Brandy’s insights into selecting the right team and pricing models that make luxury wellness accessible, paint a vivid picture of her dedication to both the success of her venture and the well-being of her community.
Brandy shares the poignant moment she chose to detach from her business for the sake of her well-being, finding the balance between personal effort and faith in a higher guidance. With candor and vulnerability, Brandy shares how partnership transformed the dynamics of Inner Space, proving that intuition and trust can indeed build a thriving, purpose-driven business.
Guest:
Brandy Gilmartin is a multifaceted professional, co-owner of Inner Space, and an Energy Medicine Practitioner. Her life's mission revolves around reconnecting individuals with the subtle, yet powerful breadcrumbs that link them to their true nature.
Her Cosmic Profile is a 4/6 Sacral MG with a Cancer Sun, Gemini Moon, and Scoprio Rising.
Brandy’s Instagram
Inner Space Wellness Center
Jasmine Nnenna: 0:03
This is Erah Society and you are listening to the Counter Cultural Podcast. Alright, hello everyone and welcome back to the podcast. I'm really excited about this episode because today we have Brandy GilMartin. Maybe some of you guys already know her, but Brandy is an energy medicine practitioner and co-owner of Inner Space, which is a 6,000 square foot huge wellness center in Des Moines, idaho, that offers you guys offer things I've never even heard of sound lounge, vibro acoustic therapy, red light therapy, bed vibration therapy, biocharger, assisted lymphatic therapy treatment center, polychromatic light therapy, himalayan salt lab. I think this is amazing and I wanted to have her on the podcast because she is currently scaling her business and I just felt like it would be an amazing conversation. So welcome to the podcast, brandy.
Brandy Gilmartin:
1:23
Thank you for having me, Jas.
Jasmine Nnenna:
1:28
And it's Iowa.
Brandy Gilmartin:
1:29
It's Iowa. A lot of people get Iowa and Idaho confused. Iowa, des Moines, did I say.
Jasmine Nnenna:
1:35
Idaho.
Brandy Gilmartin:
1:35
Yeah, I was reading Iowa. Sorry, everybody does it.
Jasmine Nnenna:
1:39
Des Moines Iowa.
Brandy Gilmartin:
1:43
That's not the first time.
Jasmine Nnenna:
1:45
No, I, you know what, and I actually wrote it down too. Okay, just want to make sure everyone knows that's Iowa, not Idaho. You are a cancer son. Gemini Moon, scorpio Rising, 4-6, sacral MG. I think, that's just important to point out, so anyone listening can resonate even deeper with your design. So I would love for you to take us on a journey how, when, why did you decide to co-found interspace and the Wellness Center?
Brandy Gilmartin:
2:17
So I have always been. I've always felt this thing inside of me that there was like a better way of doing things, especially related to health, and I didn't know why. From when I was really little, I wanted to be a doctor and as I got older I realized that the actual Western medicine wasn't the way that I wanted to go, wasn't? The wasn't the path for me. So I did hair instead. I graduated high school a year early because I figured out a way, a loophole. I'm an MG. I'm like let's, let's get this done faster. So I walked across the stage a year early and I wanted to be a hairdresser and all I knew was like I was a yes to that and I could tell that I wasn't going to do that the rest of my life. But I would sit behind the chair with people and I was always into you know, quote unquote weird things or woo woo things or spiritual things, and in Iowa there wasn't a lot of people talking about it. You know, even I would go see a Reiki practitioner and she would be in her basement. You know, it was a nice basement, but it was still like had this underground feeling, and then people would sit behind the chair or I would be behind the chair and people would sit in my chair when I was doing hair and I'm feeling cognition and human design, but I didn't know this at that time. I'd always had this like extra sensory way to pick up on things or like provoke people, just like, just enough to like oh, I didn't know that or I didn't think that way or how did you know that or how did you know? To bring that up, and I would also share about things that I was learning about wellness. I mean cold plungeants before they were even cool. You know, 15 years ago, I mean, I was in it a long time ago. So I would stand behind the chair and I realized that people were coming to me to get their hair done and it didn't matter how I was doing their hair. I'm sure they loved it, but I could have messed it up and they'd still come back because there was this thing, you know, and they were curious about all the different things I would talk about and the experiences I would have. I would travel, go to workshops, retreats, and people would always say I wish I could do that. You know, I wish I could do that, I wish I had the money to do that or the daycare to do that. You know all of these. It was inaccessible. So I would, I would travel and go to retreats and things like this. I'd go to St Thomas for 10 days and do meditation retreat and you know people would be like that's weird and but so curious about it. Anyway, I went to, I had signed up for a coaching certification program and I was really excited about it. And then a couple of weeks after, I got an email saying that the facilitator was really sick, like hospitalized, and they were going to be canceling it. Well, I had already not scheduled clients for that weekend and I had found out when I was on my way to Bermuda and we had just gotten to New Jersey, where then we were going to get on the boat. And I was really bummed and I sat down and I opened up my phone and there was a like a weekend retreat with Aubrey Marcus in Austin, texas, and it was the exact dates I was supposed to do my coaching thing. So I looked at my husband. I was like and I'm a safe girl, right? So I'm like it's right now, you know. So I look at my husband. I was like, look, these are the exact dates. Like I already have this off. I want to go do this thing. And he said what is it? I'm like I have no idea. I just looked at it and so I was sitting while we were waiting to get into our Airbnb, we were sitting at a restaurant and I just bought tickets. Right then I was like we're going, I'm going to Austin, we're going to Austin, so Austin's really important. That's why I want to bring this up. Then my father-in-law was sick at the time. He was in hospice with COPD and emphysema and there was one day that my father-in-law was in the car and he was on a bunch of medication, kind of loopy and I had this feeling to ask him if something happened. I said we have a trip planned and I just have this feeling that it's really important trip. And if something happens to you before the trip, what do you think about us still going on the trip? And I mean it was just to Austin, it's not like a 10 days in Costa Rica or anything like that. It was just a Thursday through Monday, not a big deal. But I just had this feeling inside of me. It was like you need to ask him. And he looks at me and he said just because I'm dying doesn't mean that you stop living. If anything happens to me right before, then you go. And I was like, okay, my husband couldn't believe that I would ask this. He's like who would think? And I was like I don't know. I just have this feeling inside me that I need to ask him. And so fast forward the morning that we're going to Austin. I still don't know exactly what this weekend is about. You know, I'm just like at that time I was kind of on that Aubrey Marcus, high of you know, self improvement in a different way. I was always learning. And our flight took off at 615 in the morning and we got in the plane. We literally buckled our seatbelts in the plane and my mother-in-law called and said my father-in-law passed away. Hmm, and so I was. I looked at Andy, my husband, and I was like I'm so glad I asked him, because if I wouldn't have asked him we would have gotten off the plane you know, no questions asked. Yep, we need to go be with our family, but I had his blessing and I don't know why it just felt okay to go. So we get down to Austin, texas. I do a bunch of stuff that I never done before, like pulling up people and like coaching them up front, and I'm meeting people that I normally wouldn't have not met and just like trying to find my groove. And, as a fourth line, it felt kind of weird for me because nobody in my network was there. It was very strange and we did things like journaling and a whole bunch of stuff that I don't know I wouldn't normally do with 90 people in a room, intimate and very yeah, very intimate. And the last day we were all supposed to meet in this large gym area of Onit and which Aubrey Marcus owns Onit down there it's like a workout facility and all of that. We meet in this large room and he's like we're gonna do ecstatic dance, oh man. And I was like like what's ecstatic dance? We had no itinerary, so we didn't know what we were doing and I was like, okay. So he gets up there and he starts explaining move your body however you want to. If something feels uncomfortable, that's probably means you need to do it. Just lean into the playlist. He's like I'm gonna guide you through I believe it was Stan Groves the matrices of, like, birth, life, death. You know it was crazy. So we're doing the ecstatic dance and I'm getting into it and I'm moving my body in ways that I hadn't moved before and I can feel the energy just moving through my body, clearing out stuff. I'm crying, sobbing, sweating, just moving, and it was about 90 minutes and we finished and I just felt like a completely different person afterwards. I felt like cleaned out. So we leave, my husband and I, and it was the last day, so we said goodbye to everybody. We leave and we're in the car driving to the Airbnb and I just start to feel almost like I'm vibrating, like I'm like I'm high on life and movement and all of that. And we get back to the Airbnb and I sit down on the couch and I grab my journal and it's just like drops in. It's like these instructions you need to build this, it needs to be between 5,000 and 6,000 square feet, it needs to have this and this and this. And here's the original intention. The original intention is to make wellness accessible, to normalize, taking care of all the parts of yourself, and to I'm getting like choked up because it just like feels so powerful when you think about it To make it accessible, to normalize all the parts of yourself and to remove the dogma and the stigma of looking into yourself. I was like I was given instructions and at the time I was a hairdresser, my husband's an IT. We didn't have a trust fund or a lump of money sitting around and I looked at my husband and I said I need to get in the shower because I'm getting so much information and I'm thirst, cognitions, and so I love water. So I was like I just need to. I'm getting so much information it's like drowning me. I just need to like take this water in. And so I get in the shower and I get even more information and I get out and I write down more details and I draw it out like what the building looks like and I showed it to my husband and he said that's really cool. Who's gonna pay for that? And as soon as he heard he said that I heard just start, just start, the resources are already there. And then I was shown this like vision of when the sun you know the sun is always there. Some days it's cloudy, but you know the sun is there and it was just like that. It was like you can't see the resources yet, but they're there and my body was vibrating for like three days. We flew home. I got home, I told my friend slash coach she was coaching me, but she was also a friend I told her about it and she's like I wanna help you do that. And she's like do you know how you're gonna do it? And I said no, I'm just supposed to start, I don't even know. So I started calling brokers and asking them about buildings and I just said, hey, what buildings do you have?
Jasmine Nnenna:
13:19
Did you know your design at this time? I did not.
Brandy Gilmartin:
13:24
I did not.
Jasmine Nnenna:
13:25
This is fascinating. So you were still, but you knew to like follow, I guess, a feeling, right, your that feeling that you keep bringing up, that's like, it's like a guiding hand behind you that's go here, do this.
Brandy Gilmartin:
13:43
Oh, a hundred percent, and it was like I had to like. If it didn't feel good, I couldn't do it, and there was literally something that was like reminding me of it needs to feel good the whole way. It can feel good the whole way. Don't let anybody tell you that it can't feel good the whole way.
Jasmine Nnenna:
14:04
Yes, you know it's so interesting. I don't know if you find this, but because I work a lot with, I guess we would call ourselves like spiritual entrepreneurs or conscious entrepreneurs. We feel that we need to have all of the plan like step by step process to make sure that we won't get called out, won't be rejected by the norms of how to run a business or start a business. But your story, a lot like my story and a lot like a lot of other conscious entrepreneurs that I talk to, it starts with a vision. It starts with actually, actually it starts with your story about emptying out, yes, being completely emptied so that you can be filled with the vision. Yes, and then normally, when we see the vision, something that I hear a lot is like I'm so afraid because the vision is so big, mm-hmm, did you feel like at any point you couldn't do it? Or you just went step by step and just trusted that at every turn, the resources will be there? Both at the same time?
Brandy Gilmartin:
15:14
I didn't think I could do it. I have the craziest story of how it came about. I mean, I went from calling and looking at buildings and they were showing me the buildings and they would say what's your budget? And I would say I don't have one and they thought they thought that meant I had. They thought of millions, unlimited, infinite, and I was like I don't know, I don't know, that's good. So I found a building that I really liked and I was talking to my father-in-law and I said I really like this building and we were telling him about the plan. That wasn't really a plan, just that I needed to find a building first. And he's like you know, I think, let me have you talk to my banker. And you know, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I went up and talked to his banker and they explained to me the process of, you know, getting a loan to finance building out the inside of the building and leasing the building. And I was sitting in that meeting and something just fell off and I couldn't put my finger on it. I was literally sitting there with a banker saying we will give you $1.8 million. You know, here's this paperwork and something inside of me was just like this, isn't it?
Jasmine Nnenna:
16:40
At this point, you still don't know your design, but you're just. I still don't know.
Brandy Gilmartin:
16:43
Uh-uh, uh-uh, no. So I said thank you, we left the bank. I mean, there wasn't any paperwork to sign that day. It was just like here's how this process is going to go and we'll meet again. And I left there and I called my then business partner and I said this isn't it, this is not the way I can do this. And she was so like what? Oh my gosh, no, it's like right there, you know, it's right in your hand. And I said it doesn't feel like the original feeling, like it took me away from that frequency of the original feeling, and so it gets wild. It gets wild, it gets wilder. So I'm driving home and I get a phone call from a gentleman who I don't know very well, who is in my network and he had gotten my phone number from another friend and he said, hey, I heard what you're doing and I know a guy that has a building and I told him about your vision and he wants to be your investor. And I was like, excuse me, I mean this is within 20 minutes of leaving the bank. And I said excuse me, and he said I'm going to text you his number. You need to call him. And so I was okay, I get home, I call this random guy and he said yep, I heard about what you're doing and what you want to do, and he's like there's just something about it that. I have to help you. And so he was a broker for this building and then he had the funds to help me. He was going to finance the build out and furniture and all of that stuff. And so, fast forward, we get into it. I sign a lease with the building and everybody around me is kind of in disbelief, like, do you know this guy? And this is how my life works. Man, this is how my life works.
Jasmine Nnenna:
18:47
But you know what? This is how everyone's life is supposed to work.
Brandy Gilmartin:
18:51
It's supposed to work? Absolutely, Absolutely, yeah. So I sign the lease with the landlord. Then the landlord all of a sudden decides it's too much work for him to get the building prepped for me to rent it out. So my investor calls me and he says hey, this is happening. He knows he's in a lease with you, so he's going to be at a loss with something he said. So, to move forward, I'm going to buy the building for you. Oh my God. He said all you have to do is fund the construction, which was like half a million dollars, and I was like okay, no problem.
Jasmine Nnenna:
19:32
So then, how did you get the funds for the construction?
Brandy Gilmartin:
19:35
I went to the bank and I talked to them. I actually remembered that a gal that I went to elementary school with, interestingly enough, we went to every grade level together in different cities all along the way Three different cities, me and this one girl. Every grade we were in the same class and I remembered she's a banker and I call her because she's in my network and I was like hey, hey, what are you? She's like well, I don't do commercial, but I could help you, and so I got an SBA loan for the build out. But I didn't have approval. Sba sometimes can take up to nine months to give you approval, and so the contractor was usually you have to have proof of funds to start construction. I mean, that's the way that everybody does things right, so it makes sense. I met with a contractor and I said I don't have proof of funds yet, but I've submitted all the paperwork. And he goes Brandy, there's just something about you that's so wild, that's so wildly optimistic. And he goes I just have this feeling it's all going to work out, so we're just going to start construction.
Jasmine Nnenna:
20:51
Oh my God, so they did.
Brandy Gilmartin:
20:55
So good. And then we get through part of construction, and how construction works is you have a pay app. Oh, I didn't have a business plan either, until the SBA needed one.
Jasmine Nnenna:
21:05
Like I didn't have the things until they were asked. Until it's time to respond until it was time to actually give it yes.
Brandy Gilmartin:
21:13
There's things called pay apps and when you're doing construction and pay app one came up and my original investor was going to loan me $45,000 for furniture for inner space and pay app one was due and it was $84,000 and I still didn't have funding. I would go to these weekly meetings and they'd be like, do you have funding yet? And I'd be like, no, you know, I'll let you know when I do.
Jasmine Nnenna:
21:39
How did you feel, though? How did you feel going in? Because that can be a very you're not emotionally defined, I'm not emotionally defined, and as I'm hearing this story, I'm like my butt cheeks are cringing like tightening. I'm like, oh God you're in this meeting where money is owed and you just have to keep. You don't want to sound magical, like you're just in some fairy land, dreaming that one day this $84,000 is going to drop in. Like what. How do you navigate that?
Brandy Gilmartin:
22:11
I just felt like it would be okay and I would just I'm hope motivation too and in design but I would just. It was uncomfortable, I was internalizing a lot of it but I wanted it to on the outside like it was fine, it's okay. I talked to my bankers. They say it's where XYZ step the SBA sometimes takes.
Jasmine Nnenna:
22:36
You know, Were you faking it Was? Was there any part of you that was like, am I faking it until I make it? Or even though I don't know my design, this still feels correct for me to behave this way.
Brandy Gilmartin:
22:48
Yeah, I wouldn't say I was faking it till I make it. It was definitely like I was just passing on the information I was given and maybe the way that I was doing it, with my two gate 26s hanging off my defined ego. They were just buying what I was selling, you know. So it was like okay, so this pay app is due. And he comes to me on a Thursday and says I need $84,000 by Monday. And I was like sure thing, you know, I leave and I call my husband and I'm like we need to call every person we know and ask them for $1,000. Like let's just start calling everybody and see what they have liquid, like the money's coming, but I don't know where it's at. So we're calling like our siblings and our parents, you know, and everyone's like I have a little, I have a little, I have a little. And my then business partner we just had like some hail hail come through and she had a hail damage her roof, so she got a check for eight grand. She's like I have 8,000. And you know, my father-in-law was like I have a little. It was like little amounts, you know. And then I called my mother. Well, no, I talked to the original investor and he gave me that 45,000 for furniture. He gave that to me up front. Then we had the 8,000 from my business partner's check no-transcript. So all we needed was $31,000. So I called my mom and I said All we needed all we needed was 30. So I called my mom and I said hey, mom, do you happen to have $31,000? She said no, but I have 20. And I was like what? Wow? And she's like I have 20,000. My mom used to sell like Lula Rowe. Okay, uh-huh, uh-huh, she put all the money that she made from Lula Rowe in the safety deposit box.
Jasmine Nnenna:
24:43
Oh, my God.
Brandy Gilmartin:
24:45
And so she's like yeah, I have $20,000 in my safety deposit box. She's like, but I won't be back until next Tuesday because I'm driving to Minneapolis. And I said, oh well, I'm just gonna call your bank and see if I can get in your safety deposit box. She's like well, here's where my key is, if they'll let you in. And so they said if I had a signed permission slip from her, I could get in. So I had her write a note, she texted me a photo of it and I emailed it to them and they took that. Wow. So they let me in her safety deposit box and I'm sitting there and I'm counting the money into piles of a thousand and I start to feel I'm not like counting the piles as they go and I start to feel like there's more than 30 or more than 20 piles and I'm just like I can sense it. So I get done and I start counting the piles and there's 31 piles of a thousand dollars. I had exactly 31,000.
Jasmine Nnenna:
25:43
And at any point were you doubtful of the vision that you had been given in the shower all those? What months ago?
Brandy Gilmartin:
25:50
now, at this point, yeah, like right then was like, keep going. And so my husband met the contractor on that Monday morning with an envelope of cash and the contractor looked at him and with his jaw just hanging open, and he looks at my husband and says I don't know how your wife does it. And my husband goes I don't either, but I need a receipt for all this cash. And so he didn't have a receipt book because he wasn't expecting cash. So he wrote a receipt on a napkin and then fast forward through construction. We didn't have proof of funding until I was supposed to meet the gentleman for certificate of occupancy on July 28th. And I woke up the morning of July 28th and I had an email from the bank saying you can come in today and get your funds. So I got funds on the last day.
Jasmine Nnenna:
26:49
How does it make you feel to recap that entire story Like this? Have you ever told it like that anywhere else?
Brandy Gilmartin:
26:58
I mean two people, yeah. Just like, but I enjoy telling it because I think it gives people hope of doing things a different way, and that you just have to start and trust. And there's a time when there's such thing as blind hope right, and you have to really be able to discern between, like, true hope and blind hope and to you think that that's a universal practice, even for people that don't have or have different motivation than hope.
Jasmine Nnenna:
27:36
Yeah, I agree. I oftentimes find that those of us that are tuned in and tapped in, grabbing the vision isn't the hardest part Like. The vision comes to us, even if it comes in different parts, even if it's not similar to your story, where it's like a full one day channeling. But then it's the part after that all the fears start to come up and kind of haunt you a little bit and bully you and laugh at you. Did you ever experience that, oh?
Brandy Gilmartin:
28:07
yeah, not in the beginning, but after we opened, because we opened six months before COVID.
Jasmine Nnenna:
28:17
Oh my God. So so you're on the super high, yep, and then it kind of drops.
Brandy Gilmartin:
28:23
Mm-hmm, and then it was literally survival mode. And oh my God, because initially we were only an event space for workshops and classes and we had studios in the back for practitioners I had a last minute hit to put in a salt lounge, because I had visited one in Nashville and the space that's a salt lounge now is supposed to be a meditation lounge. And last minute I was like I feel like this needs to be a salt lounge Like I would love we don't have one here. I think it would be great and that's the thing that kept us alive during COVID.
Jasmine Nnenna:
29:05
So that's okay. Wow, that's amazing. So what year was this now? So this would be 2020?
Brandy Gilmartin:
29:15
2019. 2019. It's when we opened, yeah, and I was interviewing I vet all the people that run classes and workshops through interspace, just to check integrity, you know, to uphold my standards, which are that's what it is. It's my standards, you know. And there was this woman there I call her the Oracle. She came in, sister friend Marie is her name. I don't know how old she is. She's a little old African-American lady and she knows the woman who originally wrote the matrix and I'm pretty sure the Oracle was written after this lady and she wanted to do a quantum healing meditation at interspace. And before she left my interview, she looks at me and she goes you're supposed to know about human design and I said what is?
Jasmine Nnenna:
30:08
human.
Brandy Gilmartin:
30:09
I was like what's human design? She's like just look it up. And that's how I was introduced to it.
Jasmine Nnenna:
30:17
To connect with Air Society's exclusive content on slow business, self-awareness and spirituality, subscribe to our newsletter and to become a more nourished entrepreneur, building a business that is both prosperous and purposeful, join us inside of Air Society's tea house. Ok, so this is 2019. I'm just trying to get a timeline for right. So this is 2019. Covid hits 2020. You guys are surviving with the last minute intuitive hit of putting the salt lounge. Ok, now we are at the beginning of 2024. And you guys are scaling yes. Ok, how did that happen with two years? Because essentially, we were like in pandemic slash lockdown for like two years.
Brandy Gilmartin:
31:07
I call it three. We didn't even get our footing. I mean it was three 2020, 2021, and 2022.
Jasmine Nnenna:
31:15
Yes, ok, where did the gust of wind? How did the gust of wind come back into you guys' sale, to the point now where? Because I went on live on Instagram and we were talking about the seven year cycle and you were like, oh, I definitely feel like I'm in season three, which is about sustainably scaling, like I'm now hiring leadership team, I'm getting all my ducks in a row so that I can, and then you fill in the blank so that you can. Why are you doing this? So, like what I want the business to do, I want what you want the business to do what you, what you want to do is brandy the entrepreneur, like in the future. Why?
Brandy Gilmartin:
31:55
are you?
Jasmine Nnenna:
31:55
choosing to scale in the season, after just the past seasons of up and down.
Brandy Gilmartin:
32:01
There's something inside of me that just says this is what I need to do. I don't know. It's always stuck to the original intention, but it's never been what I thought it was gonna be. Because I wanna franchise. I'd love to. I'd love to have this available all over, because our goal is accessible wellness. We have insanely accessible pricing and it's not to be the Walmart of wellness, it's to give people access. Everybody deserves access. I mean, we have a membership. It's $33 a month.
Jasmine Nnenna:
32:44
I saw.
Brandy Gilmartin:
32:45
I saw yeah, you get three services. And one of our members was in and she had used our Vibroacoustic bed and she comes out and she's crying and she said I was laying on the bed and I just started bawling because this is how rich people take care of themselves. And she said I would never be able to do this if this wasn't priced this way.
Jasmine Nnenna:
33:09
And it was just like there's something so good about following what's for you. Yeah, there's no competition involved. Yeah, there's no extraneous marketing plan involved. There's no like trying to keep up with the Joneses in terms of what's this entrepreneur doing and what's this other company doing, what's this brand doing. I think that's something that I'm so grateful to Human Design for gifting me in my life, even though I've experienced everything that you're talking about around the same time too. When I 2019, I didn't really. That was like when I Human Design started to consciously come into my awareness and then, during the pandemic it was. It was like I started to learn the knowledge of Human Design, but actually living my experiment didn't come until the later years, and then really starting to live for my aha, my sacred sounds didn't come until maybe a few years, even after that, but despite not living quote unquote from the knowledge of Human Design, I was still given a vision and I just moved step by step towards that vision and things opened up that I never thought would open up ever in my life. And then I think what happened is that there's a bit of shock I don't know if you experienced this where it's like is this gonna run out? Is this gonna be the last thing that comes through? Is this gonna yeah?
Brandy Gilmartin:
34:38
yeah.
Jasmine Nnenna:
34:38
Right, how did you navigate that Cause for me? I went into a crab shell and I was like I need to call. I need to call all of my energy back to me. I don't even really know what's going on. And then it was a year of actually beginning to experiment and trust my sacred sounds and my sacred feeling of what's happening in my body and now that I'm on the other side of that, I'm just like what is a marketing plan? What is a social media plan? Like God is my PR person, God is my marketing person. The God that flows through me is gonna tell me where to stand, when, why, with whom, how far, how long, pull back or strain, and I think it's so hard for the mind to grasp that we are moving into this new paradigm of entrepreneurship. But here's your story of success. That is not the natural right of business plan and then have all these things done? What would you kind of say in response to that, like where we're at as a collective, this kind of new frontier that we're all walking together and we don't really know exactly what's going on?
Brandy Gilmartin:
35:52
Well, I think that a lot of the conversations that I have at Inner Space with people, it's like we've given them permission, just them seeing, how you know, being able to come in, and all of that. So it's hard for me to think collectively because I have no collective circuitry.
Jasmine Nnenna:
36:08
I know, I know I'm sorry, I'm the collective person. I'm like what do you see for us?
Brandy Gilmartin:
36:13
collectively and I'm like I have no idea, but my tribe tells me. My tribe tells me that it inspires them in other ways. You know, in their life they just see how it's going. A lot of people saw it go through the pandemic, I would say. Just the past year I've been in that space of being able to hear my uh-huh you know uh-huh my say girl sounds because I was in such survival mode. So we're on similar paths in that way. Yeah, I released my business energetically in July of 2022.
Jasmine Nnenna:
36:51
What do you mean by release Like you weren't so attached to it.
Brandy Gilmartin:
36:56
I was done. Right, I was done. It was. I was tired of putting in my own money because we had money saved like our own personal savings and that helped us get through COVID and all of that. And I was just starting to feel not excited about it anymore, I was starting to feel resentful. And so, july, I looked at my husband because the construction loan was attached to our house and I looked at him and I said we're not putting any more money in, I'm a no, and that might mean we lose our house, but we'll still have our plants and our dogs and our kids. And I had to fully detach from it all. I had to be willing to let go of all my work. Why? Because it wasn't satisfying anymore. It just was depleting and I was feeling like I was up against the grain in so many ways. The way I operated, the way I was, I managed people, the way everything, and it felt like it was biting me in the ass a lot. I felt like people were taking advantage of me because I would care about their feelings in relation to their work and I could see totally now where my solar plan was just all people pleasing. And so I told my husband. We're done. And Innerspace had the least amount of money it has ever had in the bank account and I took out one last little loan because I was like I'm not paying for any of this out of our pocket anymore. I took out a $20,000 loan to float through July and this is July 2022. 2022. And one of the gals in the back I have never mentioned, because my other business partner left in February of 2021, she burnt out, understandably, so she released herself, so it was just me and we have studios in the back, and one of the gals is a therapist in the back. She approached me one day. She's a triple split sacred generator. She just comes up to me. She's like have you ever considered having a business partner? And I said uh-huh. She's like and I was like, oh, I didn't even know that I wanted a business partner. It just came out and she's like can I be your business partner? And I said uh-huh. And I was like what am I doing? What did I just say?
Jasmine Nnenna:
39:39
And Was this the beginning of your coming back to your sounds? Yes, yeah, yes, yes, uh-huh.
Brandy Gilmartin:
39:49
And I'm looking at her and I just said uh-huh and I'm like what is going on? I just released myself from this business, like four days ago, or actually I think I even have. I have a text from her or something. It's like asking if we can meet and it was like the same day that text was sent. The same day I released myself from the business energetically and financially. And so I sit down with her anyway, we talk and I'm like, hey, here's the truth, man, I am tired of holding up this ship, I'm exhausted. I need to see if it can float on its own. I realized that I haven't. It hasn't been able to float on its own because I haven't let it. I've been saving it.
Jasmine Nnenna:
40:34
Okay, can we talk about that for a second? Because, hold on, this is feeling real collective. I get these little tingles of like and we need to talk about this. Why is it that when we get the vision, we think that we're the ones that have to? Like you said, I've been carrying this thing on my back and now I'm starting to feel resentful. When that wasn't part of the clause it wasn't like spirit was like okay, I'm gonna give you this vision and then I'm gonna leave. See you later. I need you now to do all the work. What? At what point did you think? Oh, I got it. It stopped being an interdependent relationship and started being like okay, I'm independent from you. Now, god's spirit universe, I will go ahead and do this on my own. At what point did that happen for you? Or like, what triggered that?
Brandy Gilmartin:
41:26
It was coming out of COVID and like coming from this place of like I'm not getting my head above the water, of like cause I was in just such like we have to pay this $30,000 a month overhead with like zero people coming in because nobody wanted to be near each other. Salt Lounge is the only thing that's keeping us alive. And yeah, it was right then when I got my head above the water and I was like this isn't sustainable.
Jasmine Nnenna:
42:00
Holding onto it, trying to do it yourself, isn't sustainable, not the fact that the business itself wasn't sustainable, or the plan that you had or the vision that you had. It was you walking down a path that was like Brandy has to do it all. Brandy is the one that has to hold all this as opposed to wow, the sun is always there. Like you said at the beginning, the sun's always there. But you put up the cloud and was like no, no, no, no, son, don't worry about it, I will shine on this thing. Yeah, yeah. And it's at that point we start to say things like it's not working. Why isn't this working? This is so annoying. And we don't have that hopefulness, Like you said, that true, spirited hopefulness that we are where we have been called to be, and I wholeheartedly believe that when we are in our purpose, every single mountain will move to make sure that we have everything that we need, which is what you experienced at the beginning. It was like every single door is gonna open up for you, but then, when you're not in your purpose, you will need a lot of closed doors. But how do we differentiate between? Because I know some people might think like well, I'm having closed doors all the time, Does that mean that I'm not in my purpose? Only you would be able to decipher that. Only you, from a deeper, intuitive place, would be able to say I'm trying to make this happen so that I get accolades or I get rewards or I get awards, as opposed to. This is what God is telling me that I need to do to be closer to my identity as God, so you open inner space as your identity of being God, not just a brandy.
Brandy Gilmartin:
43:49
Right, and you just nailed it right there too. One of the things that I discovered along the way was that I'm somebody that wants to bring people with me. Like if I'm going up, we're all going up. Guess what? We're all. I'm getting paid, you're getting paid, everybody's getting paid. We're all going up together and I can touch back to an exact point where I don't think I was supposed to have a business partner in the beginning. Yeah, yeah, Mm-hmm. And it's to no fault of her, but there were decisions that were made along the way where they had to become partnership decisions, and I took into consideration what she wanted and my undefined solar plexus didn't want to make people feel bad and wanted to make people feel included. So I would say yes to things that I wasn't a yes to.
Jasmine Nnenna:
44:40
Mm-hmm, and this was before you got connected to your sounds. Yes, wow.
Brandy Gilmartin:
44:47
Yeah, and now with my business partner Heather, she came in and I told her all the I was like ships might sink. I don't know, you can jump on board, but it might sink. And then after she even just like we signed paperwork about being business partners, like she made no massive investment All of a sudden interspace had its best month ever.
Jasmine Nnenna:
45:13
You told me something like 70,000,. You guys are doing like 70k months now and after that after that, after that, after that, it was just like what? Wow Like wow, absolutely amazing.
Brandy Gilmartin:
45:26
And she's just like she's sacred too, so we can get this shit done real quick. And if she's a no, it's a no. If I'm a no, it's a no, and we just honor the shit out of each other. That's so good. And she's she's smell cognition, so she'll be like something's off and I'm always like how does this feel?
Jasmine Nnenna:
45:46
And she's like I don't know, that's something so fishy or something's off, or you know, use those words and I'm like how cool is it that we are in a place in life at this year 2024, that we have tools that reflect to us who we are as God? I mean, even before you knew human design, you were still living as you're, like it's just vibrant, vibrating self. But now there's something that can assure, assure like this is this is for me, this isn't for me. And if you don't know that, I think that it's really hard. I've experienced as a three-five. It's really hard and I've even purposefully gone away from human design to see again, double check, to double check. Is it? Is it really harder if I'm not following my design? And it's, it's suffering, it's not even harder. It's just pure suffering. And as I come back to you know, february of last year was my like come to Jesus moment where I was like, okay, let me just, let me just actually follow my sacral, not ideate on it, not have it live in my mind, but really feel and express it. And even though it's scary, it's still way better than suffering. It's, I mean it, just to me. I can't imagine being a creative being or someone that wants to create something, whether you're an entrepreneur or a writer, a singer, and you don't know what your authority is to like. Affirm what the God within you is saying to you, because it's so hard to trust. We call it intuition or the voice within, because the world is very loud and everyone is telling you go here and do this and do it this way and do it that way. And I fell into that. I feel like I had to fall into that so I could come back with some sort of story to say, okay, you can absolutely go that way, you can do the business plan, you can do the marketing plan, you can do all of it through your own sweat, blood and tears. But there's another way available. You can just take a nap and then maybe a post will come to you, and then you just post it. Yeah, and that's the end of that.
Brandy Gilmartin:
48:07
I know I even do that with inner space, like I do the social media because it's like I just whatever. It's a yes, and usually it's because I'm responding to a sound of a reel. Totally out of response. I think that I feel when we have stuff come to us to respond to, they're like Godwinks. You know Cause I've said uh-huh to a lot of things this year that I guess we're only into the new year a little bit, but in the past year, in the past year, that are terrifying me even right now. I mean, we're opening another business because somebody asked me and I said uh-huh.
Jasmine Nnenna:
48:52
Well, that goes right along with being in season three, like you're gearing up for season four, which is like to spread your wings in a new venture. You know, especially as an MG to like, go out and taste more of life. It's not just one singular pathway. Your purpose is to be God and then to create from that point of being. I mean, it's an infinite amount of things that you can create in one lifetime, which we're blessed enough to have, you know, some of us a really long lifetime.
Brandy Gilmartin:
49:24
Yeah, and I have the wisdom that I've gained from the past four years of operating a business and what I've seen in these needs that I've seen that need to be met. Then, when I was asked if I Is there anything you could do with this space, yeah, uh-huh.
Jasmine Nnenna:
49:44
What do you?
Brandy Gilmartin:
49:44
think about this. I see uh-huh and also the power of negotiation, because this person, this person is that same investor that I was originally talking to. As I was leaving the bank, driving home from the bank, he approached me with this because he's like Brandy, I know you're, you know what you're doing. I was like, but Joe, I don't know what I'm doing. He's like, but you do.
Jasmine Nnenna:
50:12
You do deep down inside. Yeah and so.
Brandy Gilmartin:
50:14
I said yeah, uh-huh. Then, when I got the first copy of the lease, I said uh-uh, I'm a no to this and a no to this and a no to this. And they took those things off. Wow, so I'm not financially liable. Because I don't want that stress, I don't want to feel like I have to put the ship up anymore. I'm not going to do it. Yeah, yeah, you know, I think it's great because life prepares us Absolutely In ways that we can't even imagine.
Jasmine Nnenna:
50:44
Yes, absolutely, absolutely. It's not always going to be a straight and narrow path. Yeah, you know there's going to be obstacles, and I love how Richard Rudd is always talking about obstacles is not the same as struggle Obstacle. It gives us an opportunity to play, it's a dance, whereas struggle is just always trying to keep us down An obstacle. We can meet with a challenge with the powers that we already possess and see, oh, is it time to sharpen my negotiation skills.
Brandy Gilmartin:
51:14
Yeah.
Jasmine Nnenna:
51:14
Is it time to sharpen standing up for myself, is it time to sharpen advocating for my well-being? It's not a suffering, struggling type of energy. It's so different. And when I read that, because I have 38 in my personality, son, and I've struggled a lot in my life- oh yeah, because you're cross-appentant. Yeah.
Brandy Gilmartin:
51:34
Uh-huh. Yeah, me too Uh-huh.
Jasmine Nnenna:
51:37
Uh-huh, yep, so that was such a nice reframe for me that oh, it's actually calling me forward. It's saying, hmm, I think you already dealt with this. Show me. Show me your mastery around this, as opposed to. I'm going to put you down, but you do. You have to stand up for yourself. You have to advocate for yourself, you do, even if it's just a sound that's uh-huh. No, that's not for me.
Brandy Gilmartin:
52:06
Yeah.
Jasmine Nnenna:
52:07
And I don't know if you get this as like a tension person, but sometimes our uh-huh and uh-uhs are not as frilly sounding. It's very, very like uh-uh. You know, very cut yeah. Very absolutely no, I'm not just uh-huh. And so the undefined solar plex comes back with the words and it's like oh yeah. But I can, oh, I can do this if it's too much for this on this end. And that's what I'm learning right now is to just let it linger.
Brandy Gilmartin:
52:36
Yeah.
Jasmine Nnenna:
52:37
Uh-huh and then just let it linger. Don't fill the space with more words and more explanation and more. There's no need, unless the person comes back with something for me to respond to. But that is my answer. That's my full answer. Especially as an open throat, I tend to oh, backtrack and let me try to make things feel better for you. It's like what, what would happen if it just was uh-uh? I mean, my mind's like I want to say thank you and this and that and all these other things and I the following your strategy and authority is so.
Brandy Gilmartin:
53:13
It doesn't make everything better, it's just a less resistance, right? Less suffering. I enjoy how you talk about struggle because I have channel of struggle, so it's like finding the correct struggle right. I used to be somebody is like there's no mountain to climb. I'm going to build one.
Jasmine Nnenna:
53:31
Yeah. You know, Well, that's what you did, right, when you attacked and then needed to eat that. Yeah, yeah, like realize whoa, this is not the mountain that I want to die upon.
Brandy Gilmartin:
53:44
Absolutely, absolutely. So you, if you're listening to this and you're, I'm just going to say, for generators and MGs, because we're talking about sacred sounds, and you don't understand why you're an uh-uh or an uh-uh, you don't have to. And recently I have a lot of money stories, probably because I'm a money line, I don't know. I have a lot around money to like show proof, like material proof, that your sacred sounds.
Jasmine Nnenna:
54:12
Oh, I love that.
Brandy Gilmartin:
54:13
Mine just saved me $500,000. And it's because this new project that I'm taking on, this new business, we were going to start it last year and I was uh-uh, uh-uh, uh-uh until all of a sudden I was approached like, hey, I'm going to send over the lease. Uh-uh, I don't want that lease. It was like what? Like I'm supposed to sign this. I'm like we got to do this thing, you know. And I embraced that silence afterwards, I didn't try to fill the space and waited a couple of weeks and then I heard from my landlord and he was like so are you still on board for this? And I said uh-uh. And he said, well, are you sure? He said uh-uh. He said, well, you know, you're responsible for the cost of the architects and the drawings and all of that stuff. And I said uh-uh, like I'm not going to die on the wrong hill just because of you know, $20,000 for architecture fee and stuff. Yeah, it's not worth it to me. And he said I'm going to let this marinate. He said why don't we just set it aside and let it marinate? I said you can all you want to. And I said if you still want to do it, I can tell you how to do it. I just don't, I'm a no to it right now. Like you can take that idea of my idea and do it yourself. And then, four months later, he reached back out to me and said hey, I don't know if this changes anything and I don't know what, why you were no. I didn't know why it was a no. But he said post COVID, construction costs have gone down and now the original buildout is $500,000 less, so that dramatically reduces your rent. Do you want to move forward with this?
Jasmine Nnenna:
56:04
Uh-huh Cool.
Brandy Gilmartin:
56:07
I didn't even know it was about money, like mentally I had no you know, I had no idea.
Jasmine Nnenna:
56:12
We don't exactly, we don't know what is the thing, and sometimes we don't need to know what it is. It's not knowing it is not and I don't.
Brandy Gilmartin:
56:22
and was that the thing? I don't know, because there's another thing. The entire road in front of the building was tore up for those four months and I didn't have any idea. It was like nobody could access that building properly from the road, like it was very frustrating for people to try to access it. And he goes and that construction that's been going on, that's been really frustrating, is all finished and I said what construction he's like? Oh, the road was completely closed. They tore it up. People were having trouble getting into the building and I was like and I'm saving 500,000. Yeah, really.
Jasmine Nnenna:
56:58
Yeah, oh, this is so good, just like cool.
Brandy Gilmartin:
57:02
I was, you know, and me and my business partner. We were freaking out that we were a no, because we were like it's such a good idea, though why are we?
Jasmine Nnenna:
57:11
we were both a no, and it's, and it can just be timing. It can just be timing, you know, and it doesn't?
Brandy Gilmartin:
57:19
It saved us several thousand dollars a month.
Jasmine Nnenna:
57:21
Wow, yeah, you know, I thought, I thought maybe we I don't know what I thought about whenever I have guests on the podcast, because I rarely ever have guests, but this is also an uh-huh thing for me.
Brandy Gilmartin:
57:35
I'm just like I need to talk to her first.
Jasmine Nnenna:
57:37
I don't know what exactly we're going to talk about, but I'm so happy we did this because it feels more of like a testimony than An interview. Yeah, I feel like someone needs needed to hear it exactly like this that you can trust your authority and you don't need to know every single reason why it's a yes or no, even if you're not a Sacred being like us, even if you have another type of authority. And it just reinvigorated me to like do my fifth line thing and just be like shouting strategy and authority, because it's just yeah, your story is. It's important for our life as humans. As humans, it's the thing that's trying to keep us as close as we can be to our divinity. It's one of the tools. Yes, you can absolutely try. I mean, I've tried so many other things as a third line and I've oh, that's, all I do is try things.
Brandy Gilmartin:
58:35
Yeah.
Jasmine Nnenna:
58:36
But I still come back to the clarity of uh-huh or uh-huh for me. And it took me almost seven years. I mean, this is my. I'm in year six and a half of my experiment, but really only one year of making sounds. Wow, I've only done one year of making sounds like consciously making them and being adamant about the sounds that are coming out and it's yeah, it's gotten easier, but also it's a journey. So I just want to thank you for sharing your story with us.
Brandy Gilmartin:
59:11
Yeah absolutely.
Jasmine Nnenna:
59:13
It's been a long time to do this and maybe we'll have you back on soon.
Brandy Gilmartin:
59:17
Yeah, I love that. I just hope, if people take one thing away from this podcast, that the everything we talk about with strategy and authority and everything is that being okay with your uh-huh is just, you have to be equally okay with your uh-huh and not to fear it. It's, oh, it's going to be okay. It's going to take you in the direction that's best for you. Like you said, closer to the God that you are, your divinity.